As usual contradictions are quite present in the difference between old and new testaments as is shown below. Then again this is assuming christianity is even real Then again no one here really knows alot about other religions either What does the Bible say about suicide? Just the chance to be alive on this earth and play a part in the grand scheme of God's eternal plan is a privilege indeed.
Yet, despite this, there are times when life becomes so difficult or What It Feels Like For A Girl (Above & Beyond Club Radio Edit) - Madonna - What It Feels Like For A that many have, at one time or another, wished they were dead or had never been born.
For some, these feelings linger--and if they linger long enough, suicide seems to be the only escape. In fact, in the United States and stats are similar in countries around the world the suicide rate has tripled among teen and young adults in the past 40 years.
How does God view it? Do all those who kill themselves go to Hell? Very few would argue with the fact that suicide is a direct breaking of the Sixth Commandment which is, "You shall not murder. God created human beings in His image and each of us carries within us the potential to overcome the evil in this world, and to rule and reign with Christ in heavenly places. If we are Christians, we no longer belong to ourselves, but to God. We are overseers of our bodies and our lives which belong to Himand we are responsible to guard that which has been entrusted to us.
Suicide is a grievous sin that seriously hurts both the heart of God, Im Already Dead - Shockabilly - Vietnam / Heaven (CD) those who loved the deceased. The pain of losing a loved one who took their own life is not easily healed, and often isn't fully healed until Heaven. Whether you are contemplating suicide or know someone who killed themselves, God wants you to know there is hope and life for you. He is the great Healer and Restorer of what has been lost or stolen.
Many of the greatest saints and heroes of the Bible faced overwhelming depression and sometimes wrote that they wished they had never even been born. King David, Psalmthe prophet Jeremiah, Jeremiahand Job, Job among others, all reached low points where they despaired of their very lives. Job says, "So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life. I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity" Job Yet, each one of these men were blessed of God, and persevered through their trials as an example to us.
Though they faced great suffering and injustice, they kept their faith in God and His goodness, and in so doing, were sustained and led into abundant life. Though we may get depressed from time to time, we believe that the act of suicide never takes place apart from demonic influences driving one to take their own life.
Suicide is directly counter to the power of life that God has put so strongly into His creation. Everywhere we look we see life growing, even in the most hostile environments.
This "survival instinct" is a gift from God. In fact, if He didn't bestow this gift upon His creation there probably wouldn't be any life on this planet at all! Suicide, then, is directly contrary to the will of God, and originated in the realm of the demonic host, who come only to "steal, and to kill, and to destroy" John Though demons may try to tempt us to kill ourselves, as Christians we have power over the devil and he cannot push us to do this if we sincerely call on the name of the Lord!
We are all in a spiritual battle. The problem is, many of us are not aware of it, and do not know how to protect ourselves against attack.
Some people believe that all who commit suicide go immediately to Hell. However, the Bible never says if this is the case.
The Bible is silent on this issue. God probably did not address it in black in white for a good reason. If we knew that we would still go to Heaven if we killed ourselves, there would probably be a lot more suicides taking place than there already are.
However, if we knew that all who killed themselves were automatically banished to Hell, no matter what their situation, it may be too much for the grief-stricken family and friends to bear. Murder and suicide are not unpardonable sins. The only unforgivable sins are rejecting Christ Mark and blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Mark KJV Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: All other sins can be forgiven.
However, anyone contemplating suicide may be in danger of going to Hell, as their relationship with the Lord is not intact at that point. Those who would consider suicide may have a severed relationship with Christ and therefore they would enter the real Hell--which is worse than the hellish feelings they are experiencing at the moment.
Im Already Dead - Shockabilly - Vietnam / Heaven (CD) is so important to remember that God judges each of us individually, weighing all the factors of our lives, our beliefs and our motives. Each one of us is so intricate and complex, only God could really judge us in total truth, wisdom, and without favoritism. The most important truth of all, is that each one of us will stand before His throne and give account of our lives.
If we lived intimately with this sobering truth, much of the sin in the church and the world, would immediately be stopped. God's grace never means that we have a free license to sin!
Those who willfully sin after knowing God's grace, are in far greater danger than those who know less. Though you may feel that God is far from you right now, He is much nearer than you think. He may even be speaking to you through these words! Please open your ears and hear Him tell you how valuable your life is. You are needed on this earth and the purpose for your life has not yet been fulfilled. God loves you, and so do many people around you! God would not be God if He could not work this situation no matter how unbearable it may seem for His glory and for the good in your own life.
Depression is often anger, and a host of other emotions that have turned inward and become Spheres. If you don't know how to let them go, confess it to God and ask for His help in releasing it to Him. No one can overcome these things by themselves. We all need the power of God to set us Crow Walker - The Ghost That Walks - One (Vinyl) from sinful and hopeless ways of thinking.
That is why the Bible tells us that we must be "transformed, by the renewing of our mind Romans Just as ailments in our physical body need to be treated with medicine to be healed, the same is true of our emotions. One powerful way to fight against depression, is to apply and confess God's Word as a healing balm to the places where you have been wounded.
For instance, if you have unforgiveness in your heart, begin to confess God's verses for love and forgiveness, even if they don't exactly feel true right at the moment. If you feel worthless, confess the Scriptures of God's great love for you. A rote, mechanical repeating of words may not do much, but if you deliberately take these living words and hold on to them for dear life, you will have the enemy on the run. The devil simply cannot stand against the Word of God spoken in faith.
God's Words are like spiritual antibiotics, destroying every germ and unclean thing in their path. I believe that there are several doctrinal forces at work when it comes to suicide. First of all - is suicide sin. Second - what is required for forgivness from sin. Third - what assurance do we have if we are willfully sinning. For the first - I would affirm that suicide is sin. I would not call it an "ultimate sin" or "unforgivable sin" or anything else.
It is plain old ordanary sin. Well - if we affirm an afterlife - we can also affirm forgivness in the afterlife - even for those things not yet repented for. Second - Jesus is required for forgivness - not a priest, not a member of clergy. Confession doesn't have to happen to a corporal entity to be valid. On a side note - I believe that requiring such a confession stands in the way of Christs work on the cross. I also believe that requireing such a confession deadens us to what sin is. For instance - I once overheard a teen age girl saying that she couldn't think of anything to confess.
That tells me that she lived a perfect life for the past month Šienapjūtės Naktį - Antanas Jonynas - Dainuok, Širdie, Kovos Už Taiką Dainą ! (Vinyl, LP) an utterly unrealistic accomplishment. Third - now this is the tricky part. I affirm perseverance of the saints That being said - people sin.
Apply that to suicide. If suicide is a culmination of a life of sin, what hope does that individual have? Show me a Faith without works, and I'll show you a faith that is dead. While works are not required for heaven, they are a necessary part of a living faith - which is a requirement for heaven. So is it possible for someone to commit suicide and go to heaven Is it likely? I wouldn't bet the house on it. In Soviet Russia, walls strafe you SoS " Im Already Dead - Shockabilly - Vietnam / Heaven (CD), your bible states otherwise A church is not a building Talmud, Sanhedrin 57b If a woman is in hard travail, one cuts up the child in her womb and brings it forth member by member, because her life comes before the child.
Mishnah, Ohalot 7. That said, I wouldn't actually change my thoughts on the subject whatever the bible said If we were lucky and there really was a god and a heaven then I would hope it was the god I have in mind rather than the one so many others believe in. That is, as long as you don't hurt others you can choose to live and die however you wish. However, if suicide is taken in a catholic way then yes, you would go to hell although it'd be nice if Pepe's interpretation of it were common.
That is the chances are someone that commits suicide will go to hell only because their life wasn't 'christian' enough "if it was then why would they kill themselves! That suicide on it's own isn't an instant 'go to hell, go directly to hell, do not pass god, do not collect infinite happiness' card and, if their life was sufficiently How was I wrong?
That is exactly what my Bible states - as affirmed by the passages you highlighted. Once again - Jesus God if you will is required for forgivness - not a priest, not a member of clergy. Cyndane--you are seriously hard to understand. I checked those passages, and about half of them seem like you could interpret them that way if you really tried, and about half of them didn't even pretend to support that interpretation, but none of them were more than marginally suggestive of the catholic view of confessions.
You can't just post a list of random passages with very open interpretations and say, "You're wrong, I win. Let it stay that way. That means Buddhist and Hindu views on suicide are of very limited importance, too. I love being so busy I can only moderately stop by, yay for real work.
That being said, I shall address the issues that people have put forth starting with the most recent. QUOTE cxwf And if you want to debate the truth of Chrisitianity in general, take it to another thread--this thread presupposes the truth of Christianity and is a debate about Christian doctrine. Depot stated heaven, and said religious doctrines only, but didn't specify heaven, and since heaven is available in many faiths, guess what?
They are all still quite relevant even if you wish to ignore them. I also did not mention anything about winning I am just providing information at that point.
However, since some have issues with apolegetics, I am more then happy to explain them. Alright, let me break it down for you. In 2 Cor. So whoever is in Christ is a new creation: the old things have passed away; behold, new things have come. And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.
So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. He shows how he has power to forgive sin in the name of Christ. He also describes the role of the priest. Verse 16 speaks of how the disciples came to know Christ through the flesh yet they do not know him now as such.
They know Christ in the Spirit. According to the flesh: the natural mode of perception, characterized as "fleshly," is replaced by a mode of perception proper to the Spirit. Elsewhere Paul contrasts what Christ looks like according to the old criteria weakness, powerlessness, folly, death and according to the new wisdom, power, life ; cf 2 Cor. Similarly, he describes the paradoxical nature of Christian existence, e.
A new creation: rabbis used this expression to describe the effect of the entrance of a proselyte or convert into Judaism or of the remission of sins on the Day of Atonement.
The new order created in Christ is the new covenant 2 Cor. People are not merely putting on Christ; they are born again in Christ. They become one in Christ and with the rest of The Promise - The Trumpelettes - Crossing Jordan (Vinyl, LP) baptized believers. Baptism puts to death our old sin and we are regenerated as a child of God and no longer just a creature of God.
In verse 18 Paul praises God and gives authenticity to his power by saying that his powers and ministry are from God. John Verse 19 goes on to say that God sent his only Son to bring the world to unity under God no matter who they were, Jew, Gentile, etc, and from Christ that message was to be carried on by his disciples.
The way message of reconciliation was entrusted to those specific people, the ones sent by Christ, and their appointees. No, the priest is an ambassador for Christ, as if God were appealing through them.
Paul knows, as an appointed Apostle, of his role in the Church and all of the power bestowed upon him. Even in the First letter to the Corinthians he expresses this point.
To quote one of my favorite comics "Jesus was cool with the healing of the stupid people. I have recently come into possession a copy of the orginal greek new testament dated around AD so it includes all of the books not just the "key ones" Keep in mind I do not add words when I transliterate, since that detracts from the real meaning, something that has been lost over the past generations that attempt translations, How Can You Kill Me. Read: Various political groups and biased partisians.
Of course that also means the grammar will be awful in english, but that is just one of the minor issue when dealing with old langauges. In addition, all holy books have contradictions in them, however the bible, qu'ran, and toran are just easier to spot because they have been translated to english many times.
Post edited by Unknown User on July No, don't worry, not gonna make you work. I was just asking in case you'd already had a read Good News - Quinn Harris - My Mother Said (Vinyl, LP) those parts.
I was simply curious in case in "shalt not kill" was actually closer to "not take life" or "not kill others" or "not murder" or something as each has a different meaning. Thanks though. Well techincally that commandment reads transliterated as "do not kill" there is nothing about "you", "murder" and etc.
Murder is generally defined as taking of life, with premeditation, unless you are prone to random outbursts of completely incoherent actions I would assume taking your own life is premeditated. The bible never says its good or bad, remains neutral on the topic, which is why you can not use it to condone, nor disprove either side. Of course, murder is quite throughly approved of, especially of "enemies" of the church. Was hoping for something more open to interpretation.
You are probably aware that the Bible strictly forbids murdering anyone. America's Army taught me that I'm more likely to be shot in the back by my own teammates, then have my sexuality insulted as well as accusations made towards my mother's sex life.
A coworker - Nothing stood between the onslaught and the peasant village Numbers Moses was in despair because of the complaints of the Israelites whom he was leading. Matthew After Judas had betrayed Jesus in return for 30 pieces of silver, he hanged himself. Acts is in apparent contradiction to this passage; it relates how Hatred Surge - Servant b/w Bestial (Vinyl) fell.
He "burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. Most religious liberals would assume that these two very different accounts of the death were simply the result of different traditional stories related independently by the anonymous authors of Matthew and Acts. Some conservative Christians have attempted to harmonize the two stories by concluding that Judas hanged himself from a tree which hung over a ravine.
The rope broke and he fell to the rocks below, splitting open his body. For How Can You Kill Me temple of God is holy, which temple you are. It carries the meaning "desecrate. God will bring ruin upon anyone who ruins this temple. For God's temple is holy and you Christians are that temple.
Yet a reference to suicide seems out of place in a chapter which is called "On Divisions in the Church" in the New International Version. This may be instances of translators' personal theology interfering with their choice of English words. Philippians Paul is contemplating whether it is better to live or die. He is hard pressed to decide between the two, "having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you These insects had a body like a horse, hair like a woman's, a face of a man, and teeth like a lion.
They were instructed to attack those people who "did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They had stingers in their tails like those of scorpions. Verse 6 says: "In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee Missing You - Ruff Endz - Love Crimes (Vinyl, LP, Album) them.
Hinduism does not approve suicide. Even gods and other celestial beings do not have this opportunity unless they come down to earth and take birth as human beings. It would therefore be a very serious mistake on the part of an individual if he commits suicide. It would seriously hamper his spiritual progress and put him back on the evolutionary scale by a few lives behind.
It would also expose him to the risk of redoing in a more arduous way what he wanted to avoid in the first place.
Thereafter he goes to hell and suffers more severely. In the end he returns to the earth again to complete his previous karma and start from there once again. Suicide puts an individual's spiritual clock in reverse. Hindu scriptures therefore aptly described it as murder of self atmahatya. The first precept in Buddhism is to abstain from harming living things There is nothing masochistic about the Buddha's teaching such as love others but be really mean to yourself!
On the contrary, Buddhism is not only about caring for others but also about preserving a healthy body and a positive mind for oneself. Therefore, suicide is seen as morally wrong and will result in negative karmic consequences see karma.
For example, it might mean being reborn in one of the hells, or as an animal or as a hungry ghost see samsara. To take one's own life, is also to destroy the advantage that human life affords for spiritual progress, even for gaining enlightenment. Naladiyar He who commits murder must be considered as the worst offender, more wicked than a defamer, than a thief, and than he who injures with a staff.
Laws of Manu 8. God will be angry with him and curse him, and prepare awful torment for him. Qur'an 4. Mishnah, Sanhedrin 4. Acarangasutra 7, p. Naladiyar 'Non-injury,' that is, ahimsa. Acarangasutra 5. Sanhedrin 4. All fear death. Comparing others with oneself, one should neither strike nor cause to strike. All tremble at the rod. David kill hundred thousands of people but God still loves him because Jesus not yet born that time and for some reason as well.
Now that we know the words of Jesus from God, we have to follow Him. You should sacrifice yourself like change your career. God will forgive us if we are only innocent from the law of God written in Holy Books, but you know it is bad to kill so you will be guilty and not be forgiven if you disobey. In Christianity if you accept Jesus into your heart as god and Salvation, truly repent and seek to follow the path of god before you die you can certainly still go to heaven.
Hitler could go to heaven if he repented, accepted jesus as god and salvation, realized how horrible his deeds were and wanted to live a godly life. That is provided he didn't commit suicide. On the other hand the millions of jews hitler killed would go to hell if Christianity was true. Most English bibles have mistranslated Exodus There is a difference between killing someone and murdering someone.
Murder is premeditated and killing is what happens during war time. God know your heart and HE knows the difference. Check out the two websites below. I hope this will help. Yes, serving your country in the military is appropriate. Not all killing is against the law, only murder. Self defense is also acceptable under the law.
God commanded his people in the Old Testament many times to conduct warfare. Even unjustified killings can be forgiven--look no further than one of history's most prominent Christian figures, St.
Anyone who places their faith in Christ Jesus and repents from their sins will be forgiven and will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. This is because the person who placed his Im Already Dead - Shockabilly - Vietnam / Heaven (CD) her faith in Christ Jesus is using Christ's death as the wage for sin, which is death, instead of his or her own death.
As a result the person will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
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